On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:00 AM, Ronald Hanson <
yahoo@visualcommunications.net> wrote:
> Thanks for your comprehensive reply, Clif. I already knew some of that,
> but your encyclopedic knowledge is impressive.
>
Not so much. If you think I carry that around in my mind, I'm sorry
to disappoint. What I actually carry is that GM2 and GS are standards
extending GM and I have documentation on different midi standards somewhere
on my hard drive. :-)
In my childish manner, I exported Wave files of the same song from BiaB
> using the different Roland and Coyote (both flavors) software. Damned if I
> can hear a difference.
That *is* puzzling. Ignoring exporting for now, when you play the songs
from inside BIAB with the VST/DXi Synth box checked and select the
different synths, can you hear much difference then?
I've never actually heard Coyote Forte, but I can certainly hear an obvious
difference between VSC and Coyote wavetable synths and there* should* be a
huge difference between Coyote Wavetable and Coyote Forte.
In the immortal words of Randy Newman, maybe I'm doing it wrong.
> Ron Hanson
>
> --- In Band-in-a-Box@yahoogroups.com, Clif Davis <clifton@...> wrote:
> >
> > Right, Ron, it's the Virtual Sound Canvas not the Hyper Canvas. My bad
> > memory. Sorry.
> >
> > The Hyper Canvas stuck in memory because at one time I owned a computer
> > where the built-in Microsoft synth sounded better if I lied to BIAB and
> told
> > it I had a Hyper Canvas setup instead of the cheap Sound Card I actually
> > had. I'm sure there was some logical reason, but who knows?
> >
> > The GM2 mode and GS mode are versions that comply with the GM2 and GS
> midi
> > standards, both supersets of General Midi (GM).standard.
> >
> > The midi standard format says how the midi signals are formated, but
> doesn't
> > say much about what they actually do. The GM standard gives a standard
> set
> > of 128 instruments and also requires that the instruments actually
> respond
> > to note velocity, support all 16 midi channels simultaneously with ch 10
> > reserved for drums and other percussion, and allow simultaneous notes on
> > each channel, and requires support of up to 24 active voices at a time.
> >
> > GS was Roland's improvement on GM. For GS the big improvement was the
> > addition of multiple banks of instruments by standardizing on a set of
> > bank-select control change signals. But other improvements were the
> > specifications of 9 drum kits, 226 standard instruments and standard
> control
> > change signals for portamento, sostenuto, and soft pedal.
> >
> > Roland wasn't the only one to extend the GM standard. Yamahah extended
> GM
> > to an XG standard. (Actually XG, XG2 and XG3) Both GS and XG
> > were proprietary and there was a desire for an open standard that would
> give
> > some of the best of both extensions but maybe not go as far as XG. The
> > result was General Midi 2 (GM2) which has 256 standard instruments, and
> > included much of GS with 9 drum kits and variation banks, but also
> > standardizes some sysex messages and adds more standard control change
> > signals, allows two simultaneous drum kits on ch 10 and 11, and requires
> > support for 32 simultaneous notes.
> >
> > There's actually a pretty significant difference between the Coyote
> > WaveTable and Coyote Forte. The Coyote Wavetable goes back to the old
> idea
> > of using a variation of additive synthesis taking a recording of a single
> > period of a waveform and varying it using the built in capabilities of
> the
> > sound card. My understanding is that Coyote Forte is based on the
> > Gigasampler technology which is based on streaming sample data from your
> > disk drive. Huge difference in the sound quality you can get with the two
> > techniques. Gigasampler formated fonts can be massive.
> >
> > Clif
> >
> > On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Ronald Hanson <
> > yahoo@...> wrote:
> >
> > > What's the difference (if any) between the Roland VSC DXi, the Roland
> VSC
> > > DXi (GM2 mode) and the Roland VSC DXi (GS mode)?
> > > Likewise, is there any difference between the Coyote WaveTable DXi and
> the
> > > Coyote Forte DXi?
> > > Thanx,
> > > Ron Hanson
>
>
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